Wednesday, January 21, 2009
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John & Cisco
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6:32 AM
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It can not be turned on and off as with a water spigot. Liberals were brain washed into hating Bush. They will continue to hate, they will redirect it. Now it is conservatives but it will turn as we will not be reinforced in the press. Their hate may be the undoing of the liberals as they will lose control of the masses. |
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When the mind has not been given a good, solid foundation of common sense and logic, liberalism will set in and bring confusion and hate fueled by fear. The only cure is leave them alone and let them stew in their own mess. I believe thats why even some christians get carried along by this. Thats why they can vote for a pro-abortion president and set in church on sundays and try to convince themselves how much they love God. What they forget is this: You cannot fool God. |
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By far, the world will like us more.
Old Lady,
Hate is a terrible thing, and one shouldn't hate Bush. I hate many of the things he did though, and not because I was brain washed. |
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Think about it. The most radical anti-Americans out there are worried that the masses will stop hating us. It's an act of desperation trying to retain support of the masses. Let's all hope and pray that their efforts fail. |
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You can't dictate to a free people. You can't deny rights to people who disagree with you in a free society. That is not going to change about the U.S., so the hatred won't change either.
And even if Al Qaeda or the Taliban, or whatever hate group, manages to conquer us, the hate wouldn't stop. Then the different factions of the political/religious groups (i.e. Sunni, Shia) will (continue to) fight each other.
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And why do we care that they hate us? Unless they act on their hate and try to damage us, in which case their hatred will be their doom. |
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Don't worry; be happy.
After all, we've got "smart power".
They said so; so, it must be true, yes?
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Hate is not learned. Hate is the natural, childish, immmature response to people who are different from you.
Hate is the unbridled reaction to people when you don't get your own way. Take candy from a child before dinner and see how they respond.
Love, on the other hand, has to be learned. Love is the mature response of limiting your own desires in the benefit of others, even if they disagree with you.
Hate is easy. Love is hard.
The problem isn't that the left has learned to hate. They just never learned to love. |
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Before I clicked on this, I thought the column was going to be about how the left-wing lunatics still hate us rational adults!!!! |
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The ongoing hatred George Bush/conservatives are STILL being subjected to even though the liberals have taken full control of Washington reminds me of the episode "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" of the Star Trek series, with Frank Gorshin and Lou Antonio as clashing aliens, each with one side of their face white and the other black but differing in their juxtaposition, who brought their 50,000-year-old war onto the Enterprise and forced it to take them back to their home planet - only to discover that all the people of the two races on their planet had totally annihilated each other and left each of the two of them as their race's sole survivor. Yet even though the cause each of the two had fought for now no longer existed, they STILL insisted on carrying it through. After they had beamed down from the Enterprise, Lt. Uhura asked Captain Kirk if hatred was all the two of them had ever had for one another. Kirk replied, "No - but that's all they have left".
This perfectly describes what liberals have degenerated to these days. Even though the Bush Administration is out of power now and therefore now the cause that they've expended so much energy and emotion on all these years - defeating Bush - no longer exists, like Gorshin and Antonio, they STILL can't give it a rest. Like these two, with so many liberals now, hate is all they have left.
Apparently, what seems to be the only thing that unites liberals anymore is hate.
kbTexan:
You said of liberals, "They just never learned to love".
You're dead on - but I wonder if you know why. The "why" is easy: as the Bible teaches, you can't love someone ELSE without loving GOD first. And since very few committed liberals truly love God, it's no surprise the hatred they have for their fellow man. |
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Fantastic segue! And I remember that episode very well. Recall that no one on the enterprise noticed the black-white juxtaposition. Just as many conservatives are probably taken aback by the viseral hatred that liberals show for people who don't bow down at their altar of absurdity. |
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THE U.S. LIBS WILL BE MORE DETERMINED THAN EVER TO WIN OVER THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THOSE WHO DESPISE US AND ALL THAT WE (USED TO) STAND FOR.
THE LIBS WILL THROW MORE BILLIONS AND MORE AID INTO THOSE COFFERS AND THEY WILL NEVER STOP HATING US. GWB GAVE MORE AID TO AFRICA THAN ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS COMBINED. HOW DID THE LEFT AND THE RECIPIENTS RESPOND? THEY HATED HIM EVEN MORE. MY FATHER USED TO SAY THAT WHENEVER YOU MAKE SOMEONE DEPENDENT UPON YOU, SOONER OR LATER, THEY GROW TO HATE YOU. |
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good morning
by the way thanks for your post the other day.
i did accept it as a compliment.
now about hating bush.
i heard the boos yesterday and was appalled and any sensible liberal or democrat reacted the same way.
most of us did not hate bush, in fact, i believe he is a good person but got bad advice and wasn't really wasn't the best manager of his adminstration.
i supported some of his policies.
i supported the invasion of afghanistan, as most liberals and most americans did.
i supported his faith based initiatives, which obama has vowed to continue.
i supported his immigration stance, even though most conservatives and alot of liberals hated it.
as far as loving God.
there are millions of Christian liberals who love God as much any conservative.
i realize that a myth has grown up about the anti-christian liberals but everytime i investigate specific incidents of anti-christian behavior it turns out that the persons involved are not always liberal.
for example, there is a on-going controversy here in san diego over a cross above a war memorial.
this is from todays paper:
I am a Jewish veteran who has lived in San Diego for over 40 years, served my country for over 25 years and have no problem with the cross on Mount Soledad. I do have a problem with the cross being advertised as an all-inclusive military memorial for all veterans. It is not for all veterans, and I wish that the proponents would just admit once that it is dedicated to Christian veterans. Logic dictates that in most cases, only Christians would want their service recognized under the cross of Jesus Christ.
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"This perfectly describes what liberals have degenerated to these days."
You seem to have missed Roddenberry's point that BOTH of the Star Trek characters, black-white and white-black, were equivalently and equally at fault. |
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When you hate who you are it is easy to hate everyone else. |
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The "they" in the photos are Moslems, and they are tearing up and burning photos of Obama. Nothing to do with liberals/conservatives.
Munck, I'd have to read Roddenberry saying that. I did /not/ see "equally at fault". I did see that one was trying to flee the other and did not endanger anyone except as a side effect of his attempts at self defense. |
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Bob Munck:
And YOU obviously missed the point I was trying to make in referencing the Star Trek episode I did: that the characters in that episode STILL carried on in the hatred their causes had engendered in them even after that cause no longer existed; even after each basically been rendered beyond being able to hurt the other anymore, that didn’t seem to matter.
And that's exactly the situation with the left and the Bush Administration. The Bush Administration is beyond being able to do injury to liberals anymore, and their cause of opposing his agenda tooth-and-nail ceased to exist as of 12:00 pm EST yesterday. Yet to judge the hatred that STILL lives on toward George Bush, you'd barely know he was now out of office. Funny: for an organization that calls itself MoveOn, that's precisely what its people seem LEAST capable of with George Bush.
I thought I had made my point with the Star Trek episode plainly enough, but as I discover with each passing day in reading the responses I get to my posts from many of the liberals who come to this forum (christianlib, this isn’t directed at you, so don't take it personally) and totally misconstrue something I thought I had spelled out clearly enough in the queen's English, it appears that we conservatives and you liberals, or at least many of you, don't even speak or understand the same lingua franca anymore.
christianlib:
I'll take you at your word that you were appalled at the rude behaviour George Bush was extended by many in the crowd in Washington DC yesterday, and that you supported a bunch of policies of his administration and don't genuinely HATE George Bush - and that there is a not-inconsequential slice of American liberals out there who feel the same way as you. The problem is, as with the supposedly "moderate" and "peaceful" Muslims, is that those like you, and them, are barely being heard anymore; the extremists have captured your movements
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OBVIOUSLY, it won't be rhetoric that restores the World. They know from the last 8 years, TALK is CHEAP.
It is just plain idiotic to assume the poor perception the world has on ALL AMERICANS would change simply because of an election.
Just more of the REAL BUSH LEGACY. |
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Libs are in for some big surprises with their savior obama. You gotta love the righteous liberals who want killing babies thru abortion on demand as a "choice", but have a problem with the killers being locked up at gitmo. Well, I have a choice too. Why don't all you libs take some of the gitmo killers to live in your basements, since you are so pleased that obama is closing gitmo down as his first brilliant move in office. Pitiful president. |
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There are some "Christian liberals" who actually love God MORE than some conservatives; not ALL conservatives have a heart for God (and when I say God, I mean the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob). I've seen some conservative posters here on TownHall who don't evidence to me any particular heart for God. And I know some Christians at my church who I'm sure voted for Barack Obama last year (they would be pretty much all African-American, as my church is fairly well racially integrated) who are people of blameless walk with God by ANY standard.
That having been said, and mind you, I'm speaking from my OWN experience, which I have the advantage of coming at from two perspectives having been born Jewish and being Christian by faith, and also what I see from those who are prominent in public life who CLAIM a relationship with God, it's become quite clear to me that the vast majority - notice I'm not saying ALL, just the vast majority, and I make NO apology for THOSE words - who claim a relationship with or love for God and yet are devoted to liberal political/social principles put the latter first and foremost and make the former at best an appendage. The vast majority of Jews I've known personally, and that you'll meet in this country, have little to no heart for the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and pretty much little love or heart for the Old Testament. And liberals prominent in Democratic politics who, just to narrow the field, claim to be Catholics: well, I see little evidence that the Bible really informs their conduct. You can't love the God of Abraham, Isaac,and Jacob and have no use for His word; Jesus said in John 15, as I'm sure you know, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments". |
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Just two sides of the same liberal coin. The next time our country is attacked, I hope your hate of the keep-America-safe policies of Bush are recociled with your love of Obama's let's-be-transparent- to- the -world (and our enemies)executive orders. I wonder - do liberals feel safer now?? |
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Your statements are so ignorant I am not going to counter your comments except to say you are a moron and obviously lack knowledge of societies overseas or else you would not say something so stupid.
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i appreciate what you are saying.
i believe that the extremists on the left (like the extremists on the right) are a much smaller minority than you think.
i also appreciate you taking my word for certain things.
as a sincere Christian i would not lie just to make a point.
i did not mean to imply that those of the jewish faith are always the ones involved in objecting to Christian symbols and beliefs.
there is, however, a pattern of some conservatives attributing things to liberal atheists that turn out to be legitimate differences between other religious believers.
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There's a lot of wisdom in your posts. I have been troubled by the fact that Proverbs 24:11,12
seems quite clear regarding killing
1. If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are ready to e slain,
2 If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth he not know it?
and shall he render unto every man according to his works?
I'm a battle weary pro lifer and it has been
very dispiriting to see and hear supposedly committed Christians brush off the murder of
50 million preborn and born survivors of abortion as not important. And I've called prayer lines many times and when I have had
a black believer praying with me, I had Church.
It's been wonderful and uplifting, however don't
they and all others who are talking the talk, know that the above Proverb warns they'd better walk the walk? Instead, millions of self described committed Christians voted for Obama, a man who is on record as supporting abortion across the board, including infanticide by exposure of surviving babies. Where are the pastors that tell them by their vote, they share
in the sin and the blood of these innocents are also on their hands as well as the politician espousing the torture of innocents unto death, just as much as the guilt is on the head of the doctor and many times the mother and father. I'm not talking about the bullied or coerced women, I know too many who are suffering the
guilt and shame, not so much because it was really their "choice." |
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understand the fundamental hatred that is directed at our country. It does not matter one whit who our president is. The radical extremists of the world HATE us for our freedoms and democracy and our Christian heritage. They HATE us for being the new kid on the block (230 years) and despite our short timeframe in history, we are more successful and prosperous than they will ever hope to be. Their HATE will never go away. And it is frightening to think that these nutbag liberals residing in our country as U.S. citizens do not understand that.
And now we will all have to pay the price, as the radical extremists of the world continue to HATE us, we will have to be more worried than ever about our protections because the liberals have elected a pacifist as our president. And they still don't get it. Frightening. |
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I am never surprised when so many liberal types show up to defend "The One" when a story or in this case pictures, protray the messiah in a negative light. Pictures however, don't lie. It is always amusing to see which tack they will take and what totally unrelated assault they will use to deflect the subject to their point of distraction.
The only difference between the hate our enemies had for us during the Bush administration and the hate they still possess is now they have "hope" that they can once again attack with impunity and that we will no longer retaliate. Call it the "change they have be hoping for." |
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I am American but I have traveled and lived overseas.
First, the rest of the world does not hate us. Some of the world hates us, true, but not all.
Second, except for extremists (some are here) most people will respond according to behavior. If the USA drops bombs on them (such as Iraq) they will respond by throwing shoes at us. If we help them combat local diseases (such as Africa) they will dance with us.
Third, the same is true for how people react to politicians. Bush had 90% of the country behind him after 9-11 - the highest approval rating ever. But he lied to start a war, rigged the contracts to give everything to Cheney's cronies at Halliburton, and then let New Orleans drown, shredded the Constitution. That's why liberals hate him.
Politicians should get a fair shake. But unconditional love? That's for zombies.
I'm (obviously) pro Obama. But if he does something I don't agree with, I will point it out. If he lies to me to start a war, or engages in unethical behavior, I will actively campaign agaisnt him. |
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Yes, I realize that there would be some basis to argue that if someone really loves God, even evidences it in his/her own personal life, then why would such a person vote for a man who - just to take one issue - would vote against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act as a legislator?
The best response I can give you there is an observation I once heard Paul Crouch make on Trinity Broadcasting many years ago about Christians: we all have blind spots. So that's what I would chalk down the votes of black (and even white) Christians who live godly lives personally but whose voting patterns seem unfathomable or inconsistent with their Biblical-centered worldview as falling into the category of. Although I'm not going to make the argument that having voted for John McCain last November is de facto proof of "walking in the light"; some conservatives who are serious Bible-believing Christians, after all, did NOT, and I'm not going to question their motives for it.
However, there is very definitely a difference between merely having a blind SPOT in one's eye and having a blind EYE altogether. For many (please note, christianlib, I'm not saying ALL, not even necessarily MOST, just MANY) who call or would call themselves "liberal Christians" - and I put a lot of the prominent Beltway Democrats who ostensibly claim a relationship with God as a Catholic or whatever into this category - I argue their voting patterns and political/social beliefs are not the result of blind SPOTS in people otherwise reasonably serious about the Bible informing their lives but blind EYES altogether in people who are not "of the light" in the first place. |
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God is love. He gave Jesus Christ to die for us that we might be reconciled to Him... Love. He did this while we were yet sinners, dead in our trespasses and sins. This is "original sin" which all people are corrupted by. Any "righteousnes or goodness" of mans standard is filthy "rags" to Gods standard of perfection. Here is the need for all to receive the substitution of Christs death and resurrection. Without this free girt of righteousness acceptable to the righteous Judge, a person is still under sin, with a heart that is selfish and wicked, and still facing the wrath of God for rejecting Jesus Christ and being made a new creature that loves God and has His love to give to others.
Whosoever will, let him hear. "All who call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". Rm 10.13 |
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"And that's exactly the situation with the left and the Bush Administration."
It's ALSO the case with the right and the Clintons, Carter, the Obamas, Pelosi, Reid, Michael Moore, and a host of others.
I haven't seen that Star Trek episode since it was broadcast originally, but I remember it as being symmetrical, equal hate and fault on both sides; that's certainly the way you presented it here. |
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You said, "It's ALSO the case with the right and the Clintons, Carter, the Obamas, Pelosi, Reid, Michael Moore, and a host of others".
One problem (among many) with your analogy: President Bush is no longer practicing the profession - being president of the United States - that rallied his haters against him. With few exceptions, the same is NOT true of those YOU listed. |
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arrgghhh
Jus' sen' me, eye'll make 'em 'ate me more 'n they 'ate you, eye saye!!
Keel-haul a few 'o them land-lubbers, 'n thar won' be no more 'o this mutiny agin' us.
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"One problem (among many) with your analogy:"
It's not an analogy.
"President Bush is no longer practicing the profession - being president of the United States - that rallied his haters against him."
So you're basing your entire comment on what has happened in the last 31 hours? Heck, he was still president when he was booed at the ceremony yesterday. What do you have that's later than that?
Are you saying that Bush is no longer a politician, or that his influence has completely vanished in just these 1850 wonderful minutes? You guys still love and worship Reagan (you know, the wingnut Messiah), and he's been out of office for 20 years. |
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You called Reagan "the wingnut Messiah".
About what I'd expect from an Ivy League liberal. |
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has done so much damage - 4000+ US soldiers dead in an war that was not necessary - a city drowned - an economy in shambles - his legacy lives on, still remains to be paid for. I don't think people are going to stop "hating" him anytime soon. |
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You listed as part of George Bush's resume as president "a city drowned".
So being the consistent and principled liberal that I'm sure you consider yourself to be, if the Big One hits Southern California during Obama's Administration and turns much of Los Angeles into a parking lot, I trust you'll be telling your friends and the world after that that among Obama's "accomplishments" during HIS presidency was "a city leveled".
RIGHT?!!! |
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Hey Lady, Try about 5,000 US Armed forces casualties on one day back in 1944. Do you recall D-day? War is hell, but sometimes is the only recourse. Why don't you move to Iran where there is no freedom, and see how enjoy your life then. Without the bravery of the US Military, you would not be free today. Quit watching the liberal news media for your info. |
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"About what I'd expect from an Ivy League liberal."
You say that as if you think it's an insult.
And yes, Reagan is the Wingnut Messiah, the Neocon Savior, the Republican Redeemer, the conservative christus. He's the object of more worship, veneration, and deification from the right wing than Obama could ever dream of from the left.
"turns much of Los Angeles into a parking lot"
You've obviously never been in LA. It's already a parking lot, especially the freeways. |
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"You've obviously never been in LA", you said.
Like hell! I WORKED in the mid-Wilshire district of L.A. for 14 years!
As far as calling you an "Ivy League liberal", I didn't EXPECT you to take it as an insult; I said it because the kind of statement you made about Ronald Reagan typifies how your kith feel about Reagan and conservatives in general.
What I find most interesting about liberals is how they vilify George Bush for a lack of intelligence - even though he earned an MBA from Harvard Business School. So either an Ivy League education really ISN'T the elite educational attainment that you've made it out to be - remember, you once told me that every parent in America is dying to get his kid into the Ivy League - or else your fellow libs have been lying through their teeth all these years. Which is it? |
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Bush certainly did not cause Katrina. But his government's inability to cope with the situation is what angers me and many others.
And, I agree, some things are worth fighting for, even dying for. However, invading Iraq in order to find WMD was not one of them. And that is what angers me and others and I don't see why I should forgive him. |
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"So either an Ivy League education really ISN'T the elite educational attainment that you've made it out to be"
It usually is, but there are loopholes. In the days when W was at Yale and Harvard, and I was at a better school between them, a relatively dim rich kid with a well-connected father could get into an Ivy and spend his entire time hanging around the frat, taking the jock courses, getting his term papers and exam answers from the files in the House basement, and drinking beer. He'd come out with the sheepskin (actually ours were on parchment, in Latin), but no more educated than when he started.
I've hired a lot of Ivy grads in my day (I once made a blanket offer to every Brown CS grad in the class of 1979; got 33% of them.), but never without finding out if they had a real degree or a Bush-type degree. |
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*sigh* I don't know why i bother....
"But he lied to start a war"
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong...and you know it's wrong. That makes YOU the liar. The Intelligence agencies of Britain, France, Spain, Germany, Israel, CHINA & RUSSIA all determined that Saddam had WMD. And that he had sent representatives to Niger to obtain yellow cake (uranium, for bombs). Saddam used WMD on his own people. All your idiotlib buddies in the senate saw the same report. Get up to date, this lie has been shot down too many times.
" rigged the contracts to give everything to Cheney's cronies at Halliburton"
Again, simply not true. Do you have one shred of evidence ( cut & pastes from looney-left websites don't count) to back that claim up?
"and then let New Orleans drown"
FACT: President Bush personally called Governor Blanco (D) and offered assistance several days prior to Katrina making landfall. He was turned down. Governor Blanco's (D) own emails proved this.
Mayor Ray Nagin (D) let 1000's of school buses that could have evacuated people sit unused. His handling of the disaster was sad & comical.
Granted, the federal response was lees than optimum, but blaming Pres. Bush is just stupid.
And, its a sure fire symptom of BDS.
"shredded the Constitution"
This is so weak. Can you give me one, just one example of any constitutional right you had taken from you? How about anybody you know?
Mr. Bush is gone. Time to get over it. You have your own pres now...you know, the lying, racist, totally inexperienced, 1/2 white Kenyan citizen who was elected by a lying, biased media and millions of ignorant Americans.
is it 2013 yet?
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Yeah, I can understand your feeling about wondering why you bother with the likes of a Victoria. It looks like BDS, like Alzheimer's, is a condition one takes to one's grave. |
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obama (real name Barry Soetoro, stands for b.s.) could not even get the oath (oaf) of office correct. He is the first president to screw up the simple pledge. Disaster is about to begin. Mark my words. All the "change" was and is a masterful lie for all you liberals to cast a vote. America loses big. It's all over America will quickly go downhill with "the savior". |
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