Tuesday, August 18, 2009
Posted by:
John & Cisco
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7:05 AM
A man who supports the 2nd amendment carried a military style AR-15 type rifle during the rally opposed to Obama. Is this just someone exercising their rights, or is it a distraction from the debate over health care?
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The government should supply free AR-15s for all of us. Ammo too. |
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If this administration gets its way, it will ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which stipulates that children should be raised in gun-free communities to help preserve their mental health. |
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The issue is simple, there is no first amendment of any meaning without the second amendment to back it up. There is never free speech and the right to assemble and protest government action when the population is disarmed. Look at Iran for your most recent example of that truth. Only the threat of resistance from an armed populace in possession of arms has the power to pause our out of control government that routinely ignores the constitutional limitations placed on their powers. No, I think a little show of force by the people is long over due. |
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Kelly writes: Tuesday, August, 18, 2009 9:35 AM
Yes, healthcare is a 2nd amendment issue
If this administration gets its way, it will ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which stipulates that children should be raised in gun-free communities to help preserve their mental health.
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Kelly, this UN Convention and it's reference to "mental health" defines exactly what I have always said....
The anti-Gun promotion the DumboCraphead Party has promoted since 1966 really has nothing to do with physical gun control, but everything to do with mind control.
Given enough years of these left wing pinkos promoting their hatred for guns and all who would carry them, results eventually into people who hate guns and people who carry them for no other reason than this is something they were raised to believe.
I also believe it runs much deeper, but I don't have time to define all the mind adjusting it does in fact do. |
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to hype the 'oh those conservatives are dangerous' rant they have going. I wish people would think more before doing these things, it only helps the real crazies to blur the lines and distract the short sighted media from the real stories. Yes, we have the 2nd amendment that we need to fight for but no, the universal healthcare is not a second amendment issue. Our founding fathers never intended for the federal government to interfere and attempt to control our lives this way.
The federal government has no business getting involved in mandates on our personal freedom to chose how we receive our healthcare. Their role, if any, is to assist where necessary with limited programs for segments of our population who are in need of temporary housing, healthcare and other necessities during economic hardship. |
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"No, I think a little show of force by the people is long over due."
And more importantly, it makes your entire movement -- birthers, teabaggers, deathers, rednecks, gun nuts -- look even more crazy. The pictures of loonies with elaborate GI-Joe harnesses and holsters, carrying signs calling for bloodshed and killings, are absolute gold for the media. They're showing up everywhere. |
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We are Americans who think things through and ask questions. Because we don't fall in line drooling over free t-shirts, packs of cigarettes and free rides on buses (and who knows what else) we are being called names. I guess now it's easier for you to add er to the end of every phrase. The english language is lost on these people. |
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No, their fathers and grandfathers should buy their first guns, teach them to shoot and value their individuality and Rights as free people.
"UN Convention on the Rights of the Child" rather reminds me of "Work and be Free" or perhaps "Abandon all hope ye who enter in".
But I am just a rednecked bitter clinger. |
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If these people in the street (many of whom avail themselves of Medicare) had some sort of alternate take on what we should do about health care, I'd have some respect for them. It seems all they have are inane accusations of "socialism!" and dorky fantasies of government tyranny in which they get to finally use their guns.
Last I checked, we do ELECT our government from the people, and in this process, we asked that our representatives do something about the healthcare system in which every constituent but one is suffering: doctors, patients, businesses are all feeling the strain. Insurance companies are reaping the profit--and it is these companies the fools in the street are unwitting dupes for.
We NEED government to step in. Now, whether this is through price controls as suggested by Bill Frist or all the way to a Medicare-like system recommended by many dems, we NEED government involvement in this process. We are the government--at least, that's how it's supposed to be.
NOT having government step in leaves things as they are--and anyone not brain-dead knows that not doing anything is both unsupportable and unacceptable. |
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I agree with kbTexan’s 9:20am post. If the Federal government is to fund anything it is the rights of our founding charter, our constitution. The Feds should provide at least one AR-15 to every legal resident of this country, one dozen high capacity magazines, one pallet of green tipped ammo, a Molle vest, tactical sling and sure fire flashlight. It should also provide a two week advanced urban carbine course at Thunder Ranch in Oregon, or the Blackwater facilities in North Carolina.
If there is to be some link between the 2nd Amendment and health care it should only be an Israeli style med kit for gunshot wounds.
Turncoats, cowards, internal dissenters, radicals, anarchists, liberals, journalists, registered democrat voters and other enemies of America may exempt themselves from gun ownership, but if they elect to be so they should likewise be precluded from voting, government benefits, and all participation in civic affairs.
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When the public largely rejected going to war, we didn't have complete loonies coming out of the woodwork toting military-style guns just to show-off their rights.
Where were you when we were about to go to war and spend Trillions -- all because their leader is a bad guy who threatened daddy? IS that ongoing cost really worth it? GWB's nonsensical wasteful war will cost us more than 2 Trillion and yet hardly a whimper from Cons.
Now that the red states are really in trouble with the most bankruptcies, the most unhealthy people, the worst medical care, the most welfare of all sates -- the crazies are out in full force to protest against what they need the most.
Do Cons really know anything about the Bill and what it means? Are they really against getting help for themselves when they clearly need it the most? It is the fat, lazy, bankrupt Fox-watching Cons who are dragging down US healthcare statistics, so it seems we will always have the most expensive care for the the least number of people with the resulting worst overall health statistics. |
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Cons want the same level of care or those who can afford the INSURANCE, all others can do without the CARE.
Liberals understand that the discussion is about health INSURANCE and not health CARE. We want the same great health CARE or all citizens without paying the 30% overhead for corporate advertising, CEO salaries and golden parachutes, etc.
Cons seem to want to pay much more to keep an awful lot of other Cons from getting health care. They think that 30% overhead is OK, but that 4% would be devastating. They think that if the government steps in to give you an option for health INSURANCE (no, not health CARE) that this constitutes... get ready for it... the dreaded SOCIALISM (or Marxism, or Nazism, or any other made-up ism) handed to them from big medical corporations.
So you want to pay more for less? Wy don't you take your military-style guns and secede, take the Cons with you, and set up camp in some midwest states so the people with common sense can make the decisions? We promise to hand the war and its costs over to you as well if you're dumb enough to take it.
Gee.. with so many crazies carrying any gun they feel like, why are they still arguing that somebody is trying to take their guns away? The only people I know who carry guns are the very ones I don't want to carry guns. I left a gathering a few years back after one crazy pulled a gun on another for looking at his girlfriend. I guess now I have to carry a gun to protect myself from the crazies who carry guns??????? |
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If you even attempted to read part of this bill or knew anything about the difference between the two, you would find that only a small section of the bill covers a PUBLIC HEATH INSURANCE PLAN. the rest of it is Cuts in Medicare benefits, medicare providers fees, VA benefits, mandates for coverage employers must provide, mandates for plans that individuals can purchase, money to unionized facilities for unions to oversee nursing programs and hiring processes, oversight of your parenting skills, medical homes for monitoring chronically ill patients and so many more controls and mandates.
If you think this bill will fix the insurance problems, just remember what Obama said in the Montana infomercial: THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE IN ON THE PLANNING (writing?) of the bill. Oh yes he did.
Yes, there are people who are uninsured due to job loss and the truly low income but they can be covered under medicaid. If it's 30% profits for insurance companies you want to take away, then insurance regulations need to be reviewed and the lobbyist need to be kicked out of the halls of congress.
THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH!!! |
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Doesn't matter what the political question is: if it gets right-wingers riled up, it's a second amendment issue. Also a right-to-life issue, and a fundamentalist issue. Can't have one without the other.
"The government should supply free AR-15s for all of us. Ammo too."
With all of the congressmen and senators lecturing us lately on the importance of the right to carry arms, including concealed weapons, I think we should immediately do away with all searches and metal detectors at the U.S. capitol, or at any state legislature. If everybody is carrying an AR-15, or at least a Glock 9-mm, there is no need for security, as it will be provided by the citizens themselves, as intended by the founding fathers. |
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